Interview to group of journalists from Mumbai
Published in The Times of India, 12th March, 1999
Sri Sathya Sai Baba is easily one of the most popular spiritual
leaders of contemporary India. He has attracted a following which
runs into crores cutting across barriers of caste, language, region
and nation. He shot into fame because of the miracles performed by
him, specifically his ability to materialise the holy ash and other
material things from out of thin air.
The rationalists consistently targeted him. But, Baba, as he is
referred to both of reverence and affection by his devotees, only
emerged stronger from these controversies. Today, the 74-year-old
Baba is known for working out miracles of a different kind. Miracles
in the form of a super speciality hospital where free treatment is
given or a massive drinking water scheme in the parched hinterland
of Andhra Pradesh or a massive educational complex.
The high and the mighty of the land touch his feet and seek his
blessings, so do ordinary people from all walks of life. Baba gives
them all the same message of love. He has never given an interview
to a journalist in the past 25 years. But, recently, he spoke to S.
Balakrishnan and a group of journalists from Mumbai in a small room
at his ashram in Puttaparthi in Andhra Pradesh.
Questioner: How do you relate yourself to Saibaba of Shirdi?
Swami: This body has not seen him.
Questioner: Indians are increasingly turning to godmen and godwomen.
Is this a sign of growing insecurity within them? Or is it something
Swami: This is basically a search for God. The Divine is there
within each person. The search is for this divinity. God realisation
cannot be seen as a sign of insecurity. It is a positive aspiration
to be one with God. It is a good sign.
Questioner: Even as mankind is relentlessly searching for God, he
finds himself engulfed by more and more misery. What is the reason
for this state of affairs?
Swami: Attachment to the body is the root cause of all suffering and
misery. Once this attachment ends, then one can experience divine
Bliss. There is no doubt about that. Since God does not have any
bodily attachment, he does not attach any importance to the
suffering of His body.
Questioner: What is the best way to serve God?
Swami: Serve the poor, the weak, the downtrodden and the
underprivileged. There is divinity in each of us, hence love and
serve fellow human beings selflessly. Give those around you pure
love. Religion can be best pursued through the axiom, "Dil mein Ram,
Haath mein Kaam."
There is only one religion - the religion of love;
one caste - the caste of humanity;
one language - the language of the heart;
one law - the law of Karma;
and there is only one God - He is omnipresent.
All of us should remember these simple yet profound truths. These
truths lead us to God.
Questioner: Is there no escape from human misery?
Swami: It is all Karma. The need is to adopt the path of
righteousness. One should surrender oneself to the Almighty.
Questioner: Why do you perform miracles like materialising a ring, a
medallion, a necklace, vibhuti and other objects? What are you
trying to prove by performing these miracles?
Swami: Chamatkaar or miracle is a cheap word for what I do. A
magician performs his tricks to earn a livelihood and worldly fame.
But, I materialise these talismans as my visiting cards, as evidence
that divinity can transform earth into the sky and vice versa. To
doubt this is to betray an inability to grasp the grandeur of the
universe. I get lot of satisfaction while gifting these talismans to
Questioner: The suffering millions flock to you. They want to pass
on their problems and suffering to you. How much of these suffering
can you take on?
Swami: I am only performing a Divine mission.
Questioner: How do you spend your day?
Swami: My day begins with granting darshan to my devotees,
interviews to people, bhajans, attending to all projects taken up
for human welfare. Same cycle is repeated from post noon till
evening. Although I know the contents of all letters which I
receive, I read all of them for the Trupti or satisfaction of my
I avoid milk, green fruits, dry fruits, sweets, ghee, butter, tea,
coffee, etc. I take a skimpy meal of ragi and green grams. For the
past 60 years my weight has remained unchanged at 108 pounds. When
the world sleeps, I go to my devotees, give them my vision, comfort
them, console them and solve their problems. I willingly take on the
sufferings of my devotees on myself.
Questioner: Have you gone abroad any time?
Swami: Yes, only once - to East Africa, that too because of the pure
love of a devotee, who is no more now. I did not go at the
invitation of the government.
Questioner: Do you have any plans to visit foreign nations and
spread your message?
Swami: No. Where there is sugar, the ants come there; the sugar does
not go chasing after the ants. My first task is to clean up our own
country first, then go to other countries.
Questioner: You wield enormous influence over the top politicians of
the country. Why don't you impress on them the need to inculcate
values in public life? If this is done, India will be a much better
Swami: Politicians have a choice to pursue good or bad governance;
they do covet power with a frenzy. But I tell them that:
Politics without principles,
Science without humanity,
Education without character,
And commerce without morality,
Are not only useless,
But can prove to be positively dangerous
And harm people at large.
Questioner: Do you read newspapers?
Swami: I never read them. Even though I do not read any newspaper, I
am aware about everything that is happening round the globe. What is
necessary today is that the newspapers should be more careful and
responsible in their reporting. Publishing of sensational and
baseless news must be avoided. No negative and baseless reporting,
specially of those at the helm of affairs of the country, should be
done since it has lot of repercussions abroad. If there are any
doubts, then they should be cleared after free and frank discussions
with the persons concerned. Truth should not be compromised under
Questioner: You are the chancellor of the Sathya Sai University and
you attach tremendous importance to education. Why do you think that
education in India has now become a mechanical exercise?
Swami: This is because that education has been divorced from values.
Education bereft of values is meaningless. The need is to restore
values to education.
Questioner: What are your views on different political parties in
Swami: All parties do good work as well as bad; the problem lies
with ourselves. We should insist on principles.
Questioner: Who will lead the Sathya Sai movement after you?
Swami: My devotees. God will continue to guide them.
Reproduced verbatim from The Times of India, 12th March, 1999