Sai Pearls of Wisdom - 7
December 11, 2002
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Anil Kumar has presented this talk as an extra satsang. He has
selected important messages Baba has imparted to the students
gathered around Him during the afternoon sessions on the
verandah at Prashanti Nilayam. These talks will continue.
BABA'S CONVERSATIONS WITH STUDENTS
“Sai Pearls of Wisdom”
December 11th, 2002
OM… OM… OM…
Pranams to the Lotus Feet of Bhagavan!
Dear Brothers and Sisters!
MONTH OF AUGUST 2002
This evening we’ll be completing the course of conversations we
had with Bhagavan during the month of August. I am glad to know
there is such a good response to these conversations for which I
do not take any personal credit. I am well aware of the interest
in hearing about the conversations transacted on the verandah,
since people have no access to them. So it is with no personal
credit or glorification that I am pleased to give them to you. I
am glad there has been a very good response from Sai devotees
all over the world.
“Consider this body as an instrument”
That evening in August, Swami started speaking about certain
spiritual aspects -- deep philosophical aspects. Each sentence
was very important for every one of us.
The first statement He made was: “Consider this body as an
This statement is significant for more than one reason. We
consider this body as ourselves. Rather we identify ourselves
with this body, which is not true, because the body goes on
changing from time-to-time or may even expire at any moment,
without any formal announcement. So how can we consider that we
are the body? What is the value of having this body? The answer
is simple. The body is an instrument, that’s all. The body is to
be used as an instrument for the realization of the purpose for
which it is meant. The body is given or obtained because of the
process of birth. However, we are born in order not to be born
again. It is to this end that the body has to be used -- as a
powerful instrument in the Divine Mission.
The second statement Baba made was this: “Know that God is the
Master of this body -- God is the owner of this body.”
Let me just comment on this as some explanation is needed. Some
elaboration will help you to understand the seriousness, the
gravity, depth and profundity of this statement. It is for this
reason that I want to explain further.
Do we consider that God is the Master of our bodies? We may say
so, but without having any experience of it. If we consider God
as the Master of this body, then all our actions would be godly,
all our thoughts would be Divine, all our actions would be
sacred and all our words would be full of Truth. But in reality,
it is not so. Often our words are full of lies, our actions are
selfish and our thoughts are self-centered. If we still declare
that God is the Master of this body, it is utterly ridiculous.
So, not only by word but also in spirit, we have to accept that
God is the Master of this body, which will be reflected by our
thought, words and actions.
And the third statement Baba made was: “Reduce or cut short your
What does this mean? Because we are attached to this body, we
suffer more than we should. When there is the awareness of, “I
am not the body”, the intensity of suffering or the gravity of
suffering will be less. Not that there won’t be suffering.
There’ll be pain, but it will be less painful than it might have
been. So our attitude will change. Our attitude toward life will
change when we are less attached to our body and when we are
less identified with our body. That’s what Bhagavan told us.
And then the question came, “Why are we attached to this body?
What does it lead to? Where does it lead us?” Here is the answer
Bhagavan gave: “Our illusion is responsible for this body
attachment, which leads to grief or misery or sadness.”
There’s no benefit or advantage, after all, in identifying with
the body as it brings suffering and misery, that’s all. The
cause for this body attachment happens to be illusion or
delusion. Bhagavan does not want us to be mistaken about this.
He does not want us to identify ourselves with this body.
And then came the question, “Swami, then what is delusion? What
Bhagavan mentioned again that evening the same oft-repeated
quote, the famous illustration from the Upanishads: “There lies
a rope, but you mistake it to be a snake. In fact, it’s not a
snake -- it’s only a rope. It’s only your mistaken identity.
It’s only your wrong identification that made you confused and
totally fear-stricken.” You run away from it, thinking it’s a
snake; but actually it’s not a snake. It’s only rope. So
mistaken identification or mistaken identity is what is called
‘illusion’. The reality is not understood. We go by
falsification; we go by super imposition. That is responsible
for illusion, which leads to fear.
Then He gave an example. It seems a young man was crying. A
noble and aware soul happened to pass by and he asked, “Young
man, why are you crying, my boy? What makes you cry?”
This young man said, “I lost my mother. My mother, who loved me
so much, is no more. I lost my mother and that’s why I’m
And this wise man said, “Where has she gone? Your mother is
lying right here. Your mother is very much here -- you have not
lost her. She’s here, so why do you cry?”
This story helps us to understand that the mother’s body was
still there, but not her life. So if the boy considered only the
body, then the mother was not lost as her body was right there.
But still the boy cried because, even though his mother’s body
was there, it was not his mother in reality. Why? Her life was
gone. So this mistaken identification with the body, the wrong
identification with the body, is what is called ‘illusion’ or
‘delusion’, which leads to subsequent fear and sadness.
Bhagavan gave another example: “To think that ‘I am Indian’, to
think that ‘I am Russian’, to think ‘I am American’ is also an
illusion. It is an illusion because, though you were born in
America and are therefore an American, you are not America. You
were born in America and hence you are American by citizenship,
but you are not America. You are different. Now you are visiting
here in India, so you are not the place you normally live. You
are not your profession; you are not your gender -- you are
beyond all that. The reality is none of these. The true Self is
above all of them.”
Then Bhagavan related another beautiful example: “The whole
world is like a beautiful mansion, like a beautiful building,
and each room is a country. But to consider this room to be the
only one in the building is foolishness. This building has so
many rooms -- some of this type and so many of that type. All
the rooms together make one building.
Similarly, the whole world is one mansion, and the rooms are the
different countries. What is it that separates us? What is it
that differentiates us? What is it that demarcates us? Only the
walls of caste, community, race, nationality, creed, cadre,
that’s all. When all these walls are removed, when all these
narrow chains are cut off, then we are all One -- one caste of
humanity and one religion of Love. The realization of Oneness is
the Truth. The experience of diversity, multiplicity and
plurality is the delusion.” That’s what Bhagavan said that
Finally He concluded saying, “Boys, develop broadmindedness.
Expansion is life; contraction is death. Have broadmindedness
and vastness of the spirit. Understand that there you will find
bliss, not in contraction or in narrow-mindedness. “
“Money and Sai Baba will never go together”
Now I move on to the next episode. This incident is an example
from Bhagavan’s life. Swami was sitting on His chair when He
suddenly called a gentleman from the devotees -- an elderly
person, an old man, wearing a dhoti with a long shirt.
The man came forward. Bhagavan introduced him to all of us. He
said this man was a correspondent for a chain of schools in the
State of Karnataka.
Then He looked at him seriously and said, “What is it that you
are doing there in those schools? You have named your schools
after Me. All your schools are named as ‘Sri Sathya Sai’
schools, but you are collecting money. You are collecting fees.
You are collecting money for examinations, sports, library and
all that. That is very bad. You cannot bear My name and collect
money. Money and Sai Baba will never go together. You cannot
have My Name if you want to collect money like that. I am dead
against any fund-raising. Do you understand?”
That gentleman started shivering. “Swami, I beg Your pardon. I
And Baba said, “Immediately after your return, refund all the
money. Refund it all and write to Me. Only then will I permit
you to enter Prashanti Nilayam, not otherwise. It is not proper
on your part to put education on sale -- like selling toothpaste
or a matchbox. You cannot have education for sale. I don’t like
it. Don’t do that.”
“Give brand new clothes if you want to call it seva”
Further Swami also made a comment: “Some people offer old used
clothes to people and announce they are doing service. What are
you really doing? Distributing old clothes. This is not charity.
It is not sacrifice. You are simply cleaning out the junk,
that’s all (Laughter). So, if you want to give clothes, you
should give brand-new clothes. Only then you can call it a
donation, sacrifice or seva. Don’t give worn-out, torn-out, old,
used clothes and call it charity. That’s all drama; it is all a
stunt. I don’t want you to do that.”
In this context, I should tell you that in Karnataka State, it
costs a donation of 25 lakhs per student for medical school!
This is in addition to the regular college fees and the cost of
boarding or lodging. They have to pay in advance a donation of
25 lakhs! Only then will they get accepted.
Swami laughed and laughed and said, “Instead of studying
medicine, if you keep those 25 lakhs in the bank, plus the 5
lakhs for the college fee, tuition fee, sports fee, games fee,
exam fee, library fee, and the 10 more lakhs for food and
accommodation, that’s around 35 lakhs. If you kept all of that
in the bank, you would get 35,000 rupees (monthly) as interest.
With that, you could sit cross-legged without studying. You
would be a maharaja -- a king! Then why go to college? Why
So, education today has become a mockery. For lower kindergarten
in Bangalore, you have to pay a donation of 25,000 rupees! Just
for a three-year-old child to get into L.K.G. - lower
kindergarten - a donation of 25.000 rupees is required!
Education has become so commercial, and Bhagavan is dead-set
against that. He doesn’t like it.
And lastly Swami said, “If you want to start institutions in My
name, take Me as the ideal and know that whatever I say is
Truth. You can verify it wherever you go. My path is very clear
and righteous. My words are nothing but Truth. I am an ideal to
all of you.”
“Ramayana has a message to convey”
Now we come to the next episode for the month of August 2002.
Swami, most unusually that evening, sat in His chair after
interviews. He was in a relaxed mood and, while looking at me
said nicely, “Ask Me some questions.”
We didn’t know what to ask or what not to ask, what type of
questions He wanted, what His mood was. (Laughter)
“Yes! Ask some questions.”
Then I thought the convenient thing to do would be to ask a
question on the Ramayana -- that would be less risky. (Laughter)
If I asked some questions on deep philosophy, He might say, “You
selfish fellow, so many students are here. Ask questions that
will be useful to them.“ If I said, “Swami, grant me an
interview tomorrow” He might say, “That’s not a question. You
are a selfish fellow! Fish is better than selfish.”
So I thought it would be convenient and safe to ask a question
on the Ramayana. I said, “Swami, there are so many epics in
Hindu Vedanta. The story of Krishna is ‘Bhagavatha’. The story
of Rama is ‘Ramayana’. The story of the Pandavas and the
Kauravas and their battle at Kurukshetra is ‘Mahabharatha’.
These three are important epics. There is so much mythology, yet
these three are prominent. I have one question. “
“What is it? Ask.”
“We have so many versions of the Ramayana: A great saint named
Tulsidas wrote his own version of Ramayana called
‘Ramacharitamanas’. Valmiki composed the original Ramayana. A
woman by the name of Molla wrote another Ramayana -- the ‘Molla
Ramayana’. There’s a gentleman named Kamban who wrote yet
another Ramayana, the ‘Kamban Ramayana’. Sage Vyasa wrote still
another spiritual Ramayana, the ‘Adhyatma Ramayana’. What are
all these? Which one is true? (Laughter) Why so many? Why isn’t
it so with the other epics? Why aren’t there a lot of
Mahabharatha’s? Why are there only a lot of Ramayana’s? Isn’t it
confusing? Of all the versions, which one is correct? Which one
should I follow? Which one is authentic?”
Then Bhagavan laughed. He was so compassionate. He said, “There
are so many versions of the Ramayana because it has a message to
convey on how one should behave -- at the individual level, in
one’s social conduct and ethical nature as a householder, as a
brother, as a ruler, as a husband, as a friend and as an ideal
man. All these aspects are dealt with very well in the Ramayana.
The social, ethical, moral, individual and political roles --
all these roles are put together and rolled into one, dealt with
in detail in that holy epic, the Ramayana.
Each author focused on one of these aspects. Thus we have so
many Ramayana’s. Some have dealt in depth with the devotional
aspect. Some have dealt with the social aspect or the individual
aspect. The perfected, multi-dimensional aspects of the Ramayana
have been dealt with by many people on different occasions in
different periods of time. Therefore, we have many versions of
“If you have total faith in God, you will never question His
Then I realised that it would be all right for me to take a
risk, as His mood seemed good. Hence, He would be lenient. I
took the risk and said, “Swami, if Krishna is God, how can He
afford to be partial to the Pandavas? Can God be partial? The
Kauravas are also His children. He should be impartial. The
whole Mahabharatha shows Krishna’s total partiality toward the
Pandavas. So, how can He be God? I can’t reconcile it. I know
fully well that You are going to support Krishna because You are
that same Krishna. But still I am not able to understand it.
Bhagavan said, “All your misnomers, all your misconceptions, all
your misapprehensions are signs of your total, utter and
complete ignorance. (Laughter) Your ignorance is responsible for
this confusion, for this sorry state of affairs. Secondly, you
do not have total faith in Krishna as God. If you had total
faith in God, you would never question His actions. If you say
Krishna was partial, and if He was partial, can He be God? It
means that you have no faith in Krishna as God. So, absence of
faith, lack of devotion and ignorance are responsible for such a
lopsided view or wrong impression.”
“Oh, I see.” Now it is my turn to respond. “OK, Swami, but how
do You justify that? How do You justify Krishna being partial to
the Pandavas? That is my question. I am ignorant; I lack faith;
I am sufficiently foolish -- I accept that. But what is Your
answer to my question about Krishna being partial to the
Pandavas? Can He do that?”
Then Swami said, “All right, I’ll give you a straight answer.
The Pandavas followed Krishna completely. The Pandavas followed
Krishna’s command totally, fully and unconditionally and,
because they followed Krishna totally, He supported them. They
were completely devoted to Him. It wasn’t partial, conditional
or part-time devotion. Theirs was total devotion. In times of
humiliation, in times of pleasure and pain, in challenging
situations and in war, they followed Krishna totally. So Krishna
supported them. How can you say He was partial?”
“Oh Swami! My case is lost. (Laughter) Now I understand. God
cannot be partial. He may look partial, but only because of our
ignorance. So, if God is to support us, if God is to stand by
us, we have got to follow His command totally. We must develop
trust in Him unconditionally.”
Swami said, “Had you known this earlier, you would not have
asked this question!” (Laughter)
Then I said, “Swami, You said Yourself that I am a man of
ignorance. So naturally I asked this question. (Laughter) My
question is justifiable, while Your answer made me free from
ignorance. I am no longer ignorant of the facts.” (Laughter)
Everyone joined in the laughter. With that, the evening session
“God is only one, not two”
Now I will move to the next episode in the month of August 2002.
Bhagavan began with some serious remarks, again along a
philosophical, spiritual line of thought. When we listen to
others, we don’t have doubts. We don’t have any doubts when
listening to others because we don’t listen to them totally. But
because we listen to Swami in rapt attention, we get doubts. I
think you’ll agree with me. We don’t listen to others with total
attention, but when God is speaking to us, we are in total
awareness. We try to take in every word; and hence, some doubt
arises: “Is it possible? Can I practise this? Why am I thinking
about this since so long?” Naturally, there’s a wide scope for
If we ask some questions of other gurus, they may give some
evasive replies, as if escaping the question. Therefore, their
answers are not satisfactory to us. But courtesy demands that we
say, “Thank you, very nice answer” even if it was not nice. But
in the case of Swami, it is totally different. His answers are
straight and simple. He will drive the point straight home.
There’s no question whatsoever of doubt or ambiguity.
That evening Swami mentioned this statement: “Ekam Eva
Adwaithiyam Brahma.” It is a very wonderful statement that
everybody should be familiar with and should know by heart --
should learn and repeat. It is worth knowing. What is the
meaning? Ekam means ‘one’. Eva means ‘only’ – so, ‘only One’.
Adwaithiyam Brahma – Brahma is God. Adwaithiyam means ‘not two’.
So, the meaning is, “God is One -- only One and not two.”
“Swami, one doubt.”
“When You say, ‘God is only One’, isn’t that enough? Why do You
need to say, ‘not two’? I know I am very poor in mathematics –
agreed. But if You say ‘only One’, that is enough. I can
understand. So, why say ‘not two’? Eva means ‘only one’ – good,
that makes sense. But, Adwaithiyam Brahma means ‘not two’. Why
should You say that? Why?”
Then Swami said, “Look here, it is said for emphasis in order to
give additional significance. Then there is no chance for any
misunderstanding, digression, perversion, misrepresentation or
misinterpretation. God said clearly, “Ekam Eva Adwaithiyam
Brahma. God is only One, not two.”
Prajnana, Sujnana, Vijnana, Jnana
“OK, Swami, here’s another thing: Please explain, ‘Prajnanam
Brahma’.” This is also a Mahavakya (a Divine Axiom). It is not
difficult to remember. I want all of you to keep this statement
in mind and reflect upon it. It is a beautiful statement. All
statements are beautiful, but we can remember more easily those
that are simple.
I am not a scholar of Sanskrit. Only these statements that are
often repeated by Bhagavan I can certainly remember and quote
them in my talks. It may look as if I am a Sanskrit scholar. But
I tell you, I am not (Laughter) and I don’t want to be either
because God knows all languages. I don’t need to learn Sanskrit
to make God understand my language. God knows all languages. I
don’t need to learn a complicated language at this age and
complicate my life, no. I can manage with my language. I can
manage with my ideas. I can make God understand and get replies
to questions I have. So, I don’t need to know Sanskrit except
for certain statements, which are very simple and easy to
remember, like ‘Prajnanam Brahma’.
“Ah, Swami, please explain this Mahavakya, this great statement,
a very profound statement, ‘Prajnanam Brahma’. What does it
He asked, “How do you understand it?”
He wanted me to explain in order to expose me to everybody.
(Laughter) Very well, I take delight in this. Why not? If I am a
source of entertainment for God and my students, what more could
I want? (Laughter) If in my answering, everybody laughs at my
expense, then very good! I want every evening to be like that,
yes! At least I am not a killjoy. In fact, I am entertainment
for God. God laughs and the boys laugh. Why not? If laughter is
the remedy, seriousness is the sickness. Bliss is God; misery is
the world. So, why can’t we laugh?
Then Bhagavan said, “Tell me what you understand about
I said, “Swami, ‘Knowledge is God’. Prajnanam means ‘knowledge’
and Brahma is God. So it means, ‘Knowledge is God’.”
Swami said in His usual way, “You are completely wrong!”
Very good! I was not shocked, as I am always wrong. But I
congratulated myself because my wrong answers provoked Him to
speak further along these subject lines. Yes! So I always hope
to give the wrong answers. Why not? All right, let Him say what
He wants to.
Then Bhagavan explained, “There are four forms of knowledge.
First is Jnana, second is Vijnana, third is Sujnana and fourth
is Prajnana. “
“Oh I see. I didn’t know there were four types of knowledge.”
Swami began to explain, “First, Jnana, what is Jnana? All
information, all knowledge, all worldly information is Jnana.
Everyone has this. Material knowledge, secular knowledge,
education, humanities, science, technology -- that is all
“Second, Vijnana. Vijnana is the knowledge based on
investigation, cause and effect, experimentation, observation
and inference. So, Vijnana is science and technology. Jnana,
Vijnana -- the third one is Sujnana. What is Sujnana? Sujnana is
“Oh I see.”
“The fourth one is Prajnana. What is Prajnana? Prajnana is your
very being. Prajnana is your very Self. Prajnana is awareness.
Prajnana is ‘Constant Integrated Awareness’. That Supreme Self,
knowledge of the Self, awareness of the Self, the very core of
your life, the very being of your life, that is called Prajnana.
That Prajnanam Brahma, that Prajnana is Divine. That’s the
reason why Vedanta says, ‘You are the Children of Immortality.
You are the Children of Eternity. You are the embodiments of
Why? At the core, I am Divine. On the periphery, I am human.
Just like an orange fruit that is covered by the rind or the
skin, inside there is sweet juice. Similarly, the peripheral
name and form separate me from my true reality -- the Self. That
true reality of the Self is Prajnana or awareness.
When I close my eyes, turn inward, think of my very being and
ask myself, “Who am I?” I answer that I am not the body; I am
not the intellect; I am not the mind; I am not the five senses
or actions; I am not the five life sheaths; I am not the five
elements. I am the eternal Atma, the Supreme Spirit. This is
what is called the theory of negation or ‘Nethi-Nethi’ (‘not
that-not that’) By negating what you are not, you arrive at what
you really are.
What you really are is the Supreme Self -- that Consciousness,
that awareness, that experience of the true Self is called
Prajnana. Once you experience that Prajnana, the true Self, it
expands, becoming cosmic. You will experience the whole Cosmos,
the whole Universe, as Divine. Every entity in this world, every
object in this world, be it microcosm or macrocosm, will appear
Divine from the standpoint of the Self. Through the lens or
spectrum of Prajnana, which is the awareness or knowledge of the
Self, we’ll have cosmic vision. That’s what Bhagavan told us
Doctors from Bombay
We come to the close of August 2002 with this last episode. It
so happened that that afternoon, I suddenly received a message
to report to the Mandir immediately. I didn’t have enough time
to have my usual hot coffee. I am used to very, very hot coffee.
(There is never any compromise in its temperature – it must be
very hot!) So I didn’t have any time for that coffee. I simply
ran out. I could not risk being late because I knew the
punishment that would follow -- so I ran!
I saw many people inside the Mandir who had already assembled
there by that time. I came to know later that they were all
doctors from Bombay -- about 500 of them. Yes, 200 ladies and
300 gents -- all of them doctors. They came to visit Prashanti
Nilayam and see Bhagavan. They had already visited the Super
Speciality Hospital in Bangalore the previous day; and that
morning they had visited the Super Speciality Hospital in
Prashanti Nilayam. Now they were all waiting for an interview.
Bhagavan gave them a mass interview, not individual ones. I was
blessed to be there to translate His talk, and in so doing, I
got to enjoy it as well.
Though translation is a difficult and challenging job,
translating is worth it because I am a student of Sai
literature. I’m very much interested in the Sai Message, so it
doesn’t matter what people think about me. I will take any
opportunity to translate, like this one with the doctors. It
doesn’t matter if I commit mistakes or if I am corrected quite
often, much to the amusement of all. It just doesn’t matter.
Sometimes I even forget to translate, and instead I say, “Abba!
What a statement, Swami!” (Laughter)
Then, in such moments, Swami replies, “What happened to you? You
are here to translate whatever I say. (Laughter) What is this
ecstasy? Come back to your senses.” (Laughter)
Then I tell Him, “Swami, I’m not a mechanical loudspeaker
(Laughter) I am not an electronic gadget. I am also a devotee. I
love Your message. I’m sorry.” And then I translate. So that’s
how I take it.
“The whole life is artificial today”
That day Swami began speaking to the group. Suddenly, he turned
to a 70 year-old doctor and said, “You underwent heart surgery,
The doctor said, “Yes, Swami.”
“Oh, all right. This morning you visited the Super Speciality
Hospital and had another check up, right?”
Then He said, “I know -- you are a doctor and also a patient.
That doesn’t matter. I know, very good. All the doctors said
that you are fine now, right?”
Then He said, “I may be here, but I know all that is happening
everywhere -- I know.”
This doctor said, “Swami, I have a pacemaker inside. With this
pacemaker, I am able to manage. It is artificial, Swami.”
Swami said, “Everyone is artificial in this world, not only you.
All life is artificial today. Don’t worry. Not only your
pacemaker! (Laughter) Everyone is artificial. All life is
artificial. Don’t worry.”
And then He said, “Ah, where is your heart? Where is your
“Swami, it is inside.”
“Oh ho, your heart is inside, but art is outside. So, when the
art comes from the heart, it will be interesting. But today,
even the art is also artificial. Art is not coming from the
heart, so all life is artificial.”
That’s what Swami said. Oh, there were peals of laughter and
cheers, and everybody started laughing.
“Oh doctors, look at me!”
Then Swami said, “Oh doctors, look at Me. I am 77. I don’t have
glasses. I can see any remote object, yes, and I have no pain or
suffering at anytime. I don’t take any pills or tonics --
nothing. After all, I eat only a small handful of ragi malt.
That’s all -- just ragi malt. I don’t have any coffee or tea, or
a breakfast of idly, vada or dosas like you fellows eat. I take
only ragi malt. And on the next day, I have the same food, with
nothing else in between. You must understand that I am quite
strong and energetic.”
“How is my weight? For the last 55 years, I am 108 pounds. It
has not changed. Check my BP – perfect, normal blood pressure.
You may wonder, ‘How is this possible?’ First thing, I have
total control of My diet or food. I don’t eat all that stuff
like kurma-burma that you eat.” (Kurma is a preparation of spicy
vegetables. Swami makes a pun of this word Kurma with Burma to
make ’Kurma- Burma’. Burma is the name of the country, as you
know.) ”So, I don’t eat all that spicy stuff, no, no, no,
believe me or not.”
“I don’t know what appetite is. I don’t know what hunger is. I
just don’t know. I am never hungry, no. But if there are some
guests, in order to give then some company, I pretend to eat,
My friends, please believe me. I have been at the dining table
with Swami thousands of times. I am not speaking with any pride,
but in all humility and respect, dear brothers and sisters. You
know me sufficiently by now to understand that I am not a man of
show and publicity. In all humility, I tell you this: If we
start eating like Baba, we’ll be ‘no more’ (dead) tomorrow --
simply finished! (Laughter) Wonder of wonders, He just mixes
some rice and some rasam (in those days – now He takes just ragi
malt) like this. (Anil Kumar demonstrates how quickly it
happened.) Hari Om Tat Sat! Then He will get up and go.
(Laughter) I don’t know what kind of eating that is!
There is a gentleman who keeps serving Swamiji. Swami will say,
“Hey, I’ll ask you to leave! I don’t want more, I don’t want
anymore.” He will never say, “I want more”, while we will never
say, “I don’t want anymore.” (Laughter) In just the opposite way
we say, “Welcome, my dear”. We are so courteous! We welcome all
the dishes because food is God! (Laughter) We should welcome
God, you know. (Laughter) We should not be discourteous. But the
living God says ‘no’ to food, so it’s really very interesting.
“Where is Gayathri? Gayathri is everywhere”
Then one doctor asked Swami a question: “Swami, would You please
explain to us about Gayathri?”
My friends, all these statements are recorded. Nothing is
fabricated or left to my imagination. For your information, for
the last 27 months, all these things have been published in the
Telugu version of Sanathana Sarathi. Since there has been a
heavy demand for this material from the English-speaking
devotees, I am now providing it. I am telling you this now in
order to establish credibility and to make you convinced of the
Bhagavan said, “Oh doctor, you want to know about Gayathri?
Where is Gayathri?”
If that question was asked of you or me, we’d say, “Gayathri is
In Prashanti Nilayam.”
“In front of the Post Office.” (Laughter)
“In front of the fourth Round Building.”
“Oh I see.” (That is the place where the Gayathri temple is
physically located inside the ashram.) Then Baba said, “No.
Gayathri is everywhere -- in you, with you, above you, below
you, around you -- everywhere.” Let us be convinced of this
statement. God is omnipresent. God is omniscient. God is
omnipotent. God is everywhere. To say that Gayathri is only
inside or only in front of the Post Office is ridiculous.
Gayathri is in you, with you, above you, everywhere. That’s what
Then He began to explain the Gayathri Mantra. He said that there
are three important parts in Gayathri Manthra. One deals with
the health of the body; one relates to lifespan or longevity;
the third part relates to the spirit or Atma. These are the
three aspects dealt with in the Gayathri Mantra. Is that clear?
The first aspect, which relates to the body, is called Gayathri.
The second aspect, which relates to our life span or the life
principle, is Savithri. The third one -- spirit, Consciousness,
Atma, the soul -- is Saraswathi. So, Gayathri Manthra has three
aspects -- Gayathri, Savithri and Saraswathi, or body, life and
Atma, meaning the spirit or Consciousness. Is that clear? (I
have been a teacher for the last 40 years, so I don’t think I
need to doubt my efficiency as a teacher, right? Since you
indicate that you are following what I am saying, I am happy.)
The Gayathri Manthra has another aspect -- another plane or
dimension. What is it?
Om Bhur Bhuvah Suvaha
Tat Savitur Varenyam
Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi
Dhiyo Yonah Prachodayat.
(Anil Kumar chants the Gayathri Manthra.) Come on -- repeat it!
(Everyone present, all foreigners, chant three times the
Gayathri Manthra.) This is the Gayathri Manthra. I am glad that
you can repeat it perfectly -- better than Indians themselves!
(Laughter) Is that OK? Yes. I am so happy. I take this as a Sai
miracle! I am not here to praise you or flatter you. The fact is
that because of Baba’s Grace, you are able to repeat the
Gayathri. It should be chanted perfectly. Good!
As I was saying, Swami said there are three fundamental aspects,
namely Gayathri, Savithri and Saraswathi. Then He mentioned
another thing: Bhur, Bhuvah, Suvaha. These are three important
words chanted in the Gayathri Manthra. What are they? Bhur is
the body – inert. This is what is called ‘materialisation’ or
the Gayathri aspect. “Om Bhur Bhuvah.” Next comes Bhuvah, which
means ‘life’, the Savithri aspect or ‘vibration’. The third
word, Suvaha, is the soul, spirit, Atma, the Saraswathi aspect
or ‘radiation’. So, Bhur is the body materialisation or
Gayathri. Bhuvah is life, Savithri or vibration. Suvaha is
Saraswathi, Atma or radiation. Thus, materialisation, vibration
and radiation relate to Gayathri, Savithri and Saraswathi -- the
body, life and Atma.
Then suddenly Swami said, “Cloth is made up of threads. When the
threads are removed, there’s no cloth, only cotton. Similarly,
when you do not think of the past, there is no past at all. When
you don’t think of the future, there’s no future. Past and
future are the products of your thoughts. Like the threads in
the cloth, when the threads of the past and the future are
removed, the cloth or the mind totally vanishes. It totally
And here Bhagavan said, “Live in the present; think of the
present. The present is Divine. The present is life because past
is death and future is uncertain. And in the present, think of
duty as God and work as worship. That is the message of the
present. The future is only hope – but there is no message.
Where is the hope that one would live? The past has no message
because it is gone. Only the present has a message. What is the
message? Duty is God. Work is Worship.”
And then Bhagavan said, “Know and understand clearly that your
body, mind, and senses are all negative and that the Atma,
Parabrahman, the Consciousness, the soul is positive. Everything
is negative in this world.”
And further He said, “’I’, Brahman, Atma, God, Spirit, Soul,
Consciousness are all synonyms. They all mean the same, nothing
to worry about.”
“This lady i met 40 years ago in Bombay”
Suddenly Swami looked at a doctor and said, “You visited the
Super Speciality Hospital at Puttaparthi this morning. You must
have seen the patient who got an injection costing 75,000
rupees, given without any expectation, not even of a ‘thanks’.
That’s what you should know. You doctors should also know about
the technicians in our hospital. They are two post-graduate
students from our University, plus the dietitians are girls from
our Anantapur Campus. You should know that.”
And then He turned to a lady and said, “You know, I met this
lady 40 years ago in Bombay. Because she was strong, she is
still alive. What a memory it is! Her house is very close to
Dharmakshetra in Bombay. She lost her husband, and after some
time, she wanted to get married again. I told her, ‘Don’t get
married again. You have a baby. Take care of this child.’ Am I
That lady started crying. She’s a doctor now, doing a lot of
service at the Dharmakshetra in Bombay -- a very eminent doctor.
Swami looked at that lady and said, “Had you gotten married
again, you wouldn’t have been a doctor like this. You wouldn’t
have been able to serve as much as you are doing now. You
wouldn’t have taken care of your baby.”
And He immediately looked at another girl and said (pointing to
her), “She is your daughter and she is also a doctor, I know.
You are also a doctor, I know. You were just a baby back then.”
Everybody was very much surprised. Swami looked at the girl and
said, “Your mother sacrificed a lot. It is your duty to take
care of her. Your life is everything to her, so serve her. It is
your duty to make her happy. See that she’ll never shed a tear.
It’s your duty.”
That’s what Bhagavan said and then immediately Bhagavan
materialised earrings for the girl, and diamond earrings and a
chain for her mother.
Then He blessed everybody: “May you all live a long, healthy and
peaceful life.” Then He distributed prasadam to everybody and
had a number of group photos taken with them. With that, the
August episodes comes to a close.
NOVEMBER 29th, 2002
My visit to Alike
This month, on the 29th of November, a very important event in
my life happened, which I would very much like to share with
you. The 29th of November was the ‘Inauguration Day’ for a
hospital built by Bhagavan at a cost of one crore rupees. It is
located at a place named ‘Alike’, a one-and-a-half-hour journey
from Mangalore in the State of Karnataka.
Those people came and requested Bhagavan to inaugurate the
hospital. The hospital was completed and the doctors were
appointed and ready. Then Swami said, “I am so busy with
devotees here, I am sending Anil Kumar to inaugurate the
I went to that auspicious event to inaugurate that hospital in
the name of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. The reception, the
hospitality, the attention, the courtesy extended to me was as
though Baba Himself were there. I went by flight to Mangalore
and from there by car. Swami Himself gave me the airline ticket.
He said, “I have the tickets ready. You go and they will receive
you there by car.”
A few things I know; I am familiar with a lot. But then
sometimes I still get taken completely aback. My journey from
Mangalore to Alike was something like our journey to Kodaikanal,
full of mountain ranges and greenery, beautiful trees and a cool
atmosphere, cloudy and wonderful -- like paradise! Ah! Tall
jackfruit trees, betel nut trees, plantains, coconut trees and
waterfalls -- ah! For one-and-a-half hours, how could I take it?
I was extremely happy, my friends, I am fully aware of the truth
I am sharing with you.
All along the route, there were a number of villages. Literate
and illiterate, rich and poor, men and women, young and old,
civilized and uncivilized; peasants, farmers and laborers;
Hindus, Muslims and Christians -- whomever I saw on the way,
believe me or not, they joined their hands and said, “Sai Ram!
Sai Ram!” That’s all. Later I came to know that they say the
same thing to everybody -- they greet each other like that. I
did not see a smoker. I did not see a drunkard. I did not hear
anybody shouting. I did not hear anybody using abusive or
objectionable language. All of them were peaceful and blissful.
It was quite unbelievable!
Then I saw the town. Alike has five educational institutions,
all built on mountaintops, which have 1500 students. The whole
area is spread over 200 acres. You have to go by car to reach
different places, as it is so vast! There are valley playgrounds
and a stadium. The guesthouse is on another mountaintop. When I
came out of the guesthouse and stood there on the terrace, I
could enjoy the sunrise in the morning and the sunset in the
evening. Behind me were mountain streams, while in front there
were valleys, and further on, the educational institutions on
the mountaintops. In the morning there were mists, clouds,
patches of fog and skylarks. Ah! Heaven cannot be more beautiful
than this. Yes, I mean every word that I say – 100%!
Then some people started to serve me. Everything was kept ready,
clean and perfect. I was served my morning coffee. It was not
very, very hot. (Laughter) So I had a sip and then I left it
there on the table. Within ten minutes, another gentleman
brought hot, hot coffee. (Laughter) I tasted it. Then I started
enquiring, “Boys, who are these two people (referring to those
two who were serving him)?”
They said, “One is the Principal of the College and the other
one is the Warden of the Hostel.” Each one had two Ph.D.
degrees! My friends, everything is subject to verification.
Alike is a place where all of them are brahmacharyas, like
sanyasis in their vows, unmarried like monks in a monastery or
in the Catholic Church. All of them are unmarried. They wear a
lalchi and a lunghi such as the Tamilians wear (simple white
cotton cloth wore around the waist with a white towel over the
shoulder). It is very difficult to tell who has a Ph.D. degree
and who has a Master’s degree. All of them are like that -- very
Then they took me to their Institutions -- so beautiful. All the
students are boys. They all said, “Sai Ram, Sir, Sai Ram, Sir.”
All of them know Vedic chanting. All of them are in musical
bands. All of them do bhajan singing. Sai vision, Sai
imagination and Sai ideals -- all of them have taken form and
shape 100% there in Alike.
The moment I returned, Bhagavan said, “Come on, Anil Kumar, come
on. How did you like that place?”
“Swami, it is of educational value. It is a spiritual camp. It
is not a picnic -- certainly not a weekend joy trip for a change
of scenery. It is a place of enlightenment. It is one thrilling,
Baba said, “That’s why I sent you.”
I showed Him all the photographs. The hospital was also built on
a mountaintop -- a small building with lawns and flowers
everywhere. The doctors are highly qualified and ready. Well, I
could not believe it.
Earlier, there was one devotee who is now no longer with us. He
was a brahmacharya, a sanyasi, who used to come here as a Seva
Dal member. Inspired by the Divinity of Bhagavan, this devotee
donated to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba the whole property --
200 acres -- where these institutions are located today. His
exemplary character inspired all the rest of the people there,
and thus today we see all those educational institutions. With
this I take leave of you.
May Bhagavan bless you!
Professor Anil Kumar closed his talk with the bhajan,
“Jai Bolo Bhagavan Sri Sathya Babaji Ki. Jai!
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